Posted: February 21st, 2014, 12:56 pm
As a certified idiot, I don't think there's much I can add to this discussion other then I am also a Christian. I probably mentioned that somewhere else before, but I forget where.
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Wait, so was this directed at me then? xDMiniike wrote:Bravo sir!
I follow them because they are what I believe. There doesn't have to be a god to back them up. Why not follow them if there is no god? Why follow them if there is?Entity wrote:These are some pretty solid principles, and there's nothing wrong with them, but where do they come from? Why follow them if there is no God? (which I assume you believe, if His principles aren't good enough)
Why not follow Jesus if that will get you to heaven?Sebastian Lawe wrote:I follow them because they are what I believe. There doesn't have to be a god to back them up. Why not follow them if there is no god? Why follow them if there is?
Because, there isn't just one religion. Every religion wholeheartedly believes that their religion will get them to some awesome place. I am strictly agnostic. It would be wrong of me to blindly assume one of many religions is correct. What happens after I die doesn't matter, all the matters is that I'm alive, right here, and now. If it turns out that I was wrong, then I guess I'll be screwed.Entity wrote:Why not follow Jesus if that will get you to heaven?
So just because there is more than one religion makes them all false? That's not very solid reasoning.Sebastian Lawe wrote:It would be wrong of me to blindly assume one of many religions is correct.
I agree that anything like that that I can imagine does seem boring, but Heaven is beyond imagining. God created us as perfect human beings, and it was essentially heaven on earth until Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit, introducing sin into the world.Sebastian Lawe]What happens after I die doesn't matter wrote:
It doesn't matter that you're going to be in a lake of fire for all eternity? Shouldn't that possibility make you want to know for sure that you know where you're going?
Phantomboy wrote:The thought of a paradise, eternal happiness is nearly as frightening to me as an eternal dark void to me.
I never said that. I simply said I won't pick a specific one. I read from any religion I can find, to learn more about the world. I am strictly agnostic, everything is possible, but equally impossible until it is a proven fact.Entity wrote:So just because there is more than one religion makes them all false? That's not very solid reasoning.
I wasn't raised in Christianity, so that consequence doesn't really concern me. To me, thats like saying dragons are going to burn my house down because I don't believe in Santa. Both sound the same to me.Entity wrote: It doesn't matter that you're going to be in a lake of fire for all eternity? Shouldn't that possibility make you want to know for sure that you know where you're going?
This isn't a opinion, it's just a few factual things to be pointed out:Sebastian Lawe wrote:If I were to put my numbers on any afterlife though, it would be that of buhddists. I would rather be born again than go to heaven.
I understand the goal is not be be reborn, however, it is my goal to be reborn. As well, its not my job to keep track of what relgions share what. Buhddism was just a name that stuck out in my mind.Miniike wrote:This isn't a opinion, it's just a few factual things to be pointed out:
1. Reincarnation is not in any way exclusive to Buddhism. It's a staple in most eastern religions and many sects and cults.
2. You are not equating (or approximating) yourself to a Buddhist by saying you would rather be reincarnated. Buddhism is about reaching Nirvana, which is FREEDOM from reincarnation. Buddhists do not want to be born again, they are working so that they don't have too.
I didn't say it was your job, or even that it was a stupid mistake. It's just that Buddhism is a bit of a poor example of what you were trying to say.Sebastian Lawe wrote:I understand the goal is not be be reborn, however, it is my goal to be reborn. As well, its not my job to keep track of what relgions share what. Buhddism was just a name that stuck out in my mind.
It sort of is, to atone for karma. But there are other groups where reincarnation is actually the way of salvation, like New Age and Gnostic groups. Reincarnation is gradual perfection in Scientology, to the point of becoming the godlike "**** novis".ElectroYoshi wrote:^^ To add to that, I think WANTING to be born again is more of a Hindu thing.
The Bible very clearly states that anyone who sins will not go to heaven. So yes, if it weren't for Jesus dying on the cross and giving anyone who will accept it, the free gift of eternal life, everyone would go to Hell.ElectroYoshi wrote:I know I'm not perfect. Nobody is. If everyone who ever committed any kind of sin were sent to hell, EVERYBODY would be sent to hell. Hell tends to associated more with people who were just plain bad in general in life. If you were good in life from a general standpoint, your sins can be overlooked.
Entity wrote:The Bible very clearly states that anyone who sins will not go to heaven. So yes, if it weren't for Jesus dying on the cross and giving anyone who will accept it, the free gift of eternal life, everyone would go to Hell.
Romans 3:23 - For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
Romans 6:23 - For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life
Again, the example of a judge. Just because you <insert good things here> doesn't change the fact that you <insert bad things here>. A good judge will sentence you based on how you broke the law, not lessening the sentence just because you gave to the poor or were a generally nice person. God is a just and righteous judge.
Please prove me wrong though! Show me a Bible verse that says you can get to Heaven by being "good enough."
Why should I bear that in mind? What is your basis for that? Why do you believe that? (and those are real questions, I'm interested to know the answers )ElectroYoshi] I'm saying is that sinning is COMPLETELY inevitable. Even if you go out of your way to NOT sin wrote:
And I completely agree
ElectroYoshi wrote:the thing about God you have to bear in mind is that he's looked at as someone who forgives sins, not someone who punishes for them.
ElectroYoshi]I'm not saying you can just wrote:
But that's exactly what you're saying! You're saying God is a corrupt judge who will ignore evil. Perfection is the standard, and it always has been. Adam and Eve were perfect, until they ate the fruit and launched the world into sinfulness.
I challenge you to show me a verse that backs your statement up.
ElectroYoshi]My point is wrote:
The Bible was written over a time period of thousands of years. The culture changed drastically over that period, and of course it has changed since, but the culture doesn't matter. Everything in the Bible is still relevant.
God sent His only son, Jesus, to die in our place; to take the punishment for our sins. That actually happened, regardless of what culture you live in.
ElectroYoshi]Again wrote:
On judgement day when I'm standing before God, it doesn't matter what your take is. It doesn't matter what my take is. It doesn't matter what I think or feel. All that matters is what The Bible actually says; what God actually said.
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